Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?

[Andy Burnelli]

How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?

All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
I ran a test last night and mine took 2-1/4 hours to go from 0 to 100%
<https://i.postimg.cc/zGvhGxSb/charging13.jpg>

Specs:
Free 64 GB 8-core Samsung Galaxy A32-5G with a modern 5 Ah battery
Free 9.0V at 1.67A & 5.0V at 2.0A modern fast charger in the box
Phone purposefully run all day & night with LED flashlight on
until phone shut down indicating 1% battery.

Booted phone at 6:33AM and put on the charger & at 8:45AM today.
The phone said "*Your battery is half charged*" just one hour later.
Another hour & fifteen minutes the phone spoke out that it was full
"*Your battery is now at 100% charge*"

How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to full?
--
All modern phones now come with huge batteries which last forever.

[Alan]

On 2022-04-04 2:19 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?
>
> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
> I ran a test last night and mine took 2-1/4 hours to go from 0 to 100%
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zGvhGxSb/charging13.jpg>
>

So no better than a current iPhone.

Got it.

[Chris]

Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?

Impossible now that many/most phones don't come with a charger.

> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.

They also don't come with a charger.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-05, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> They also don't come with a charger.

Technically, the charger is built into the device. And they all come
with a USB charge cable.

What newer smartphones no longer come with is a USB *power adapter*. And
since you can plug the USB charge cable into any USB power source, that
isn't nearly as big of a deal as some people seem to desperately want to
make it. The fact is many people already have USB power adapters, USB
ports on computers, and existing USB charge cables that they continue to
use even after purchasing a new smartphone, which means for many people
shipping a USB power adapter with a new smartphone is wasteful.

As I sit here typing this, I have twp USB charge cables, three available
USB-C ports, and four available USB-A ports, all within easy reach. If I
were sitting on the couch in my living room, I would have two USB charge
cables and a third USB power port available within reach. And if I were
laying in bed, I'd have yet another USB charge cable within reach. I
have a USB port and charge cable in the car as well.

And I'm not alone. Many people simply have no need for yet another USB
power adapter. Those who do need one can still purchase one - and it
doesn't have to be the same brand as the smartphone, since Anker and
others make perfectly good ones that you can purchase, often at cheaper
prices.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Rob]

Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

[sms]

Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast chargers
have now dropped the charger.

It's annoying, but in the case of the iPhone they never included a fast
charger even before they stopped including chargers so you had to buy a
fast charger separately.

When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired and
wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to 100%
which is more in line with actual use.

The iPhone Xr took 116 minutes wired(0.0127 KWH) wireless to go from 20%
to 100% and 135 minutes wireless (0.0191 KWH).

[nospam]

In article <slrnt4oioc...@xs9.xs4all.nl>, Rob

<nom...@example.com> wrote:

> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

not really. a pd charger is capable of sourcing higher current, which
generally means faster charge times, however, not all devices take
advantage of that. since most people charge overnight, they'll never
notice any difference.

> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

unless you've been living in a cave for the last 20 years or so, you
*do* have a charger, probably several of them.

in the unlikely event you're about to buy your very first phone and
have no chargers whatsoever from anything else, you can always charge
the phone from a computer's usb port (or tv, router or various other
devices with usb ports).

[nospam]

In article <t2hikn$kc2$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> It's annoying, but in the case of the iPhone they never included a fast
> charger even before they stopped including chargers so you had to buy a
> fast charger separately.

false. apple *did* include a fast charger with some models.

> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired and
> wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to 100%
> which is more in line with actual use.

baseless assumption and also contradicts your silly justification for
wireless charging.

[Andy Burnelli]

Rob wrote:

> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

In addition, the old charger is almost _never_ the correct fast charger.

Instead of getting a new correctly sized battery in your new iCar, Apple
tells you that they skimped out on the correctly sized battery.

It's as if Apple tells you that you have plenty of old car batteries.
Use your old batteries with your shiny new iCar.

It's green.

> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

Who wants to put their old battery from their old car into the new iCar?
And then, they have to swap it out each time they drive that new iCar?

It's _always_ undersized so it will never work as well as the right battery.
Since it's the _wrong_ battery, Apple will _not_ honor the iCar warranty.

Worse than all that, Apple _lied_ about you having the correct charger.

FACT:
Apple has _never_ in its history shipped the correct fast charger (for the
new iPhones that don't come with them) with _any_ iPhone box ever sold!

Apple lied.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

> unless you've been living in a cave for the last 20 years or so, you
> *do* have a charger, probably several of them.

What the Apple iKooks did was believe every bit of propaganda fed them.

1. Apple has _never_ shipped the correct charger for the iPhones that
no longer come with them in _any_ iPhone box ever sold in its history.

2. Apple refused to put in writing that they will honor the warranty if
your incorrect charger damages your expensive iPhone.

3. If perchance you have a _modern_ charger, it's _already_ being used.

4. Who wants to have to borrow their wife's charger just to charge their
phone overnight (which all iPhones require, despite Apple's lies).

5. Who wants to have a shiny new iPhone, shiny new case, nice new unfrayed
cable, and yet, they have to stoop to using an old worn beat up charger?

6. Whatever happened to Apple's marketing claim that old chargers are
dangerous? I never believed Apple cared - but this proves they don't.

7. The fact is the old charger is almost _never_ the correct fast charger.

8. Apple is the master at removing one key bit of functionality every
year in iPhones so that you have to slowly get used to buying it back.

Frog. Boiling. Water === Apple

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

> Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast chargers
> have now dropped the charger.

FACT:
My _free_ (approx $200 MSRP now) Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with the fast
charger, and it seems that _many_ (if not most) Android come with them too.

I don't know the percentage any more than anyone else does where I tried to
see if this search engine showed "charger in the box" but it's not there.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2021&sFreeText=charger>

Instead of just guessing like Steve did, does anyone have a good search
engine that will tell us the number of phones below $500 that come with a
fast charger in the box?

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> It's annoying, but in the case of the iPhone they never included a fast
>> charger even before they stopped including chargers so you had to buy a
>> fast charger separately.
>
> false. apple *did* include a fast charger with some models.

FACT:
For the _correct_ fast charger for the recent iPhone models (11 & 12)
*Apple has _never_ shipped that correct iPhone 11/12 fast charger*
*in _any_ iPhone box ever sold in Apple's entire history*. (See Brazil.)

That's a fact that I know nospam is well aware of.

>> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired and
>> wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to 100%
>> which is more in line with actual use.
>
> baseless assumption and also contradicts your silly justification for
> wireless charging.

*Apple has _never_ shipped the correct iPhone 11/12 fast charger*
*in _any_ iPhone box that Apple has ever sold in the USA*. (See Brazil.)
--
In Brazil, Apple _refused_ to put in writing that Apple would honor the
warranty if someone used the wrong charger and the phone was damaged.

So Brazil forces Apple to include the charger in the box.

[sms]

On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:

<snip>

> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>
> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!

You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.

Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
don't already own a fast charger. They either will continue with slow
charging or purchase a fast charger.

If they're buying a phone in a store, the salesperson will likely
suggest that they purchase a fast charger. Once someone is paying
hundreds of dollars (or more than a thousand dollars) for a new phone
then the cost of a fast charger isn't significant and they'll probably
buy one.

What is annoying is that a fast charger that would have cost the phone
manufacturer less than a dollar but to buy one at retail at the Apple
Store or at a carrier's store you're looking at $15-20. Of course a
PD/QC charger can be purchased for less than $5 if you're willing to
order one on Aliexpress and wait a few weeks for delivery
<https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001970967446.html>.

OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling. For $50
or so you can buy one 100W charger, with four ports, that can charge a
laptop, tablet, and a couple of phones all at once. Even if your laptop
doesn't use USB-PD for charging you can buy an adapter that goes from
USB-C PD to your laptop's charging port.

[Ken Blake]

Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
with multiple devices.

--
Ken

[nospam]

In article <t2hq2q$co2$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
> don't already own a fast charger.

most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
long it takes does not matter.

> They either will continue with slow
> charging or purchase a fast charger.

in other words, not an issue.

> If they're buying a phone in a store, the salesperson will likely
> suggest that they purchase a fast charger.

not necessarily, and if someone does, the buyer can say no.

> OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
> number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling. For $50
> or so you can buy one 100W charger, with four ports, that can charge a
> laptop, tablet, and a couple of phones all at once. Even if your laptop
> doesn't use USB-PD for charging you can buy an adapter that goes from
> USB-C PD to your laptop's charging port.

exactly why including another charger is a waste.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Not an option for me. I usually write a lot of text in forums. I use my
iPhone as gateway to the web for my laptops. Even these useless tablets
are not an option. They are just blown up phones.


--
Sent with Bettterbird from an Intel-Mac. Simply better. www.betterbird.eu

[Ken Blake]

Yes, we all have different needs. That was my point.


--
Ken

[Alan]

On 2022-04-05 9:07 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast
>> chargers have now dropped the charger.
>
> FACT:
> My _free_ (approx $200 MSRP now) Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with the fast
> charger, and it seems that _many_ (if not most) Android come with them too.

And you pay more as a result.

And if you think your phone is "free", you're a deluded fool.

[sms]

On 4/5/2022 9:46 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
> with multiple devices.

That's fine for leisure travel.

But for business travel it's usually necessary to take along a phone as
well as a laptop. In some cases you can get by with a tablet plus a
keyboard and mouse.

Even for leisure travel I will now take along an iPad as well as a
phone, and sometimes a Windows laptop. With remote-working we can now go
on trips even when we have to do things like Microsoft Teams or Zoom
meetings and these aren't well suited to do on a phone, though it's not
impossible. Bringing along an HDMI adapter lets you use a television in
a hotel room for audio and video, but not for the camera.

If we want to watch videos at night, I can hook my phone up to the TV
and stream Netflix, or use something like a Fire Stick. I can also plug
a USB DVD drive into my Android phone and watch a DVD either on the
phone or on a TV.

[Alan]

On 2022-04-05 8:51 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>
> In addition, the old charger is almost _never_ the correct fast charger.
>
> Instead of getting a new correctly sized battery in your new iCar, Apple
> tells you that they skimped out on the correctly sized battery.
>
> It's as if Apple tells you that you have plenty of old car batteries.
> Use your old batteries with your shiny new iCar.

I've got news for you, Sunshine:

Chargers are not the same as batteries.

AND

You don't understand a THING about cars and the batteries they use.

[sms]

Joerg is wrong of course™.

A good tablet, like an iPad Pro or a Samsung Galaxy S series, is not a
"blown up phone."

They have powerful processors, you can use a Bluetooth keyboard and
mouse, or an active stylus, so they work well for creating
presentations, text editing, e-mail, phone editing, and more.

You can use a USB hub and plug in various peripherals such as disk
drives, and even optical drives (Android only).

The screens are large enough for the tablets to function as a laptop
replacement, and are as good as a laptop for online video meetings.

They also have functions not available on laptops, such as a GPS, and on
Android tablets you can do GPS spoofing so when you're traveling you can
still get geographic-restricted content.

If you really want a "blown up phone" there are some low-end tablets
with cellular connectivity that you can use with a VOIP service like
Google Voice. For $179.99 you can buy a 10.1" tablet with a SIM card
slot with 4G LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, & 41.

[Alan Browne]

On 2022-04-05 12:46, Ken Blake wrote:

> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
> with multiple devices.

Depends on the trip, the purpose, the audience (if any), what other work
one intends to do in the Marriott at night ... editing a Powerpoint or
working on a spreadsheet on a small laptop is painful enough as it is.

Recent personal trips (air) we've left the laptop behind and just
brought our phones. Road trips (all one of them in the last 3 years) we
brought a laptop - tethered to the phone for internet access.

--
"Mr Speaker, I withdraw my statement that half the cabinet are asses -
half the cabinet are not asses."
-Benjamin Disraeli

[sms]

On 4/5/2022 11:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2022-04-05 12:46, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
>> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
>> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
>> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to
>> travel with multiple devices.
>
> Depends on the trip, the purpose, the audience (if any), what other work
> one intends to do in the Marriott at night ... editing a Powerpoint or
> working on a spreadsheet on a small laptop is painful enough as it is.

You could always connect your phone to the TV in the Marriott, and then
use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but by the time you brought all that
stuff you might as well bring along a laptop.

Last month I was at a conference at a Marriott and did connect my phone
to the TV to watch a Zoom meeting. The desk in the room had kind of
docking station with wired Ethernet, VGA, and HDMI connections
<http://www.videonuze.com/editor/assets/MarriottConsole1.jpg> But the
HDMI didn't work (as several other things in the room and the hotel
didn't work) and I connected the HDMI from the phone directly to the TV.
I also had my iPad and a laptop with me since I needed to do some work.

> Recent personal trips (air) we've left the laptop behind and just
> brought our phones.  Road trips (all one of them in the last 3 years) we
> brought a laptop - tethered to the phone for internet access.

The Marriott Wi-Fi was very slow so I tethered for Internet access.

[John McGaw]

No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a full day
of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.

--
Noli sinere pessimi nequissimique te tristificare!

[Lewis]

In message <jb3a30...@mid.individual.net> Ken Blake <k...@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 9:17 AM, sms wrote:

>> [his usual drivel]

> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
> with multiple devices.

sms is under the impression that the things he wants, everyone wants, and
the things that are important to him are important to everyone, that the
things he does, everyone does.

He cannot conceive that most people do not prefer touchID over FaceID,
so he tries to make the claim that TouchID is more secure, which is just
a lie.

He thinks traveling with multiple devices is perfectly normal, when in
fact it is quite rare.

Like all little children, he has no real concept of the world beyond
himself or the fact that he is not the only person in the universe.


--
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.

[Lewis]

In message <t2hv7k$jsl$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Joerg is wrong of course™.

EVERYONE 'is wrong' according to sms, because the infantile sms cannot
conceive that other people are not like him and that different people
have different needs.

Compare with your average toddler and you will see the same behaviour.

--
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support
rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

[Lewis]

In message <t2i5fs$dnk$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 11:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05 12:46, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
>>> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
>>> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
>>> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to
>>> travel with multiple devices.
>>
>> Depends on the trip, the purpose, the audience (if any), what other work
>> one intends to do in the Marriott at night ... editing a Powerpoint or
>> working on a spreadsheet on a small laptop is painful enough as it is.

> You could always connect your phone to the TV in the Marriott, and then
> use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but by the time you brought all that
> stuff you might as well bring along a laptop.

Complete and utter nonsense.

--
This man was clearly mad, but at the heart of his madness was a cold,
dreadful sanity, a core of pure interstellar ice in the centre of
the furnace. She'd thought him weak under a thin shell of
strength, but it went a lot further than that. Somewhere deep
inside his mind, somewhere beyond the event horizon of
rationality, the sheer pressure of insanity had hammered his
madness into something harder than diamond. --Wyrd Sisters

[Joerg Lorenz]

On 05.04.22 19:45, sms wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 10:00 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> Yes, we all have different needs. That was my point.
>
> Joerg is wrong of course™.
>
> A good tablet, like an iPad Pro or a Samsung Galaxy S series, is not a
> "blown up phone."

It is even less. And it never has the versatility of a laptop or a
desktop computer. Tablets are a niche.

[sms]

On 4/5/2022 12:44 PM, John McGaw wrote:

<snip>

> No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a full
> day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.

I try not to let my phones get below 20%.

When I do charging measurements I let it go from 20% to 100% and I
monitor the AC WH <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RNFQTL9> and a USB-C PD
tester <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000349886468.html>.

[nospam]

In article <slrnt4p8iq....@zephyrus.local>, Lewis

<g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>
> > You could always connect your phone to the TV in the Marriott, and then
> > use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but by the time you brought all that
> > stuff you might as well bring along a laptop.
>
> Complete and utter nonsense.

i use a folding keyboard that's about as big as an iphone and both can
fit in the *same* pocket if i wanted.

[John McGaw]

I guess that you have _way_ more curiosity about it than I do then. I've
been a mobile user for, well I don't know how many years exactly but it
goes back to flip-phone and candy bar phones, years but I can't really
remember having a phone die on me when I needed it. In some phones, the
batteries were interchangeable and I usually had a spare. I finally decided
that carrying a battery bank with me when I'm headed out to the wilds of
the Scottish Highlands or wherever else I might be left powerless was a
simple solution. That takes a lot of the stress out of life at the cost of
maybe 12 extra ounces in my backpack.

At home I just put the phone on the bedside wireless charger every night
and forget about it until I get up in the morning and almost never look at
the battery level. The only reason I am more aware now is that I've
installed "Energy Ring" and it makes the relative battery level more visible.

[knuttle]

On 5 Apr 2022, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>> don't already own a fast charger.
>
> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
> long it takes does not matter.

If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why wouldn't you
want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you already paid for?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-05, Rob <nom...@example.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They also don't come with a charger.
>>
>> Technically, the charger is built into the device. And they all come
>> with a USB charge cable.
>>
>> What newer smartphones no longer come with is a USB *power adapter*.
>> And since you can plug the USB charge cable into any USB power
>> source, that isn't nearly as big of a deal as some people seem to
>> desperately want to make it. The fact is many people already have USB
>> power adapters, USB ports on computers, and existing USB charge
>> cables that they continue to use even after purchasing a new
>> smartphone, which means for many people shipping a USB power adapter
>> with a new smartphone is wasteful.
>>
>> As I sit here typing this, I have twp USB charge cables, three
>> available USB-C ports, and four available USB-A ports, all within
>> easy reach. If I were sitting on the couch in my living room, I would
>> have two USB charge cables and a third USB power port available
>> within reach. And if I were laying in bed, I'd have yet another USB
>> charge cable within reach. I have a USB port and charge cable in the
>> car as well.
>>
>> And I'm not alone. Many people simply have no need for yet another
>> USB power adapter. Those who do need one can still purchase one - and
>> it doesn't have to be the same brand as the smartphone, since Anker
>> and others make perfectly good ones that you can purchase, often at
>> cheaper prices.

>
> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger
> wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C
> PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

Meh. They all charge my iPhone, which is what actually matters. I don't
need more USB power adapters, and I'm definitely not in the minority.
Sorry if that ruffles your sensitive feathers, but it's a fact you can't
refute no matter how loud you scream about it.

> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.

It seems the disbelief is coming from your side, Robby Boy. : )

> But "I already have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly
> is not true!

It's absolutely true, Robby. And nothing you can say will change it.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Alan]

Again.

The only question that matters is:

"Does it charge fast enough for the ways in which I use it?"

[Andy Burnelli]

Jolly Roger wrote:

> Meh. They all charge my iPhone, which is what actually matters.

The only reason Apple removed the charger is because Apple's strategy is to
remove a key functionality each year from the entire iPhone model lineup.

Frog. Boiling. Water. === Apple. Customer. iPhone.

[nospam]

In article <t2ifs9$u7o$1...@dont-email.me>, knuttle

<keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> >> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
> >> don't already own a fast charger.
> >
> > most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
> > long it takes does not matter.
>
> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why wouldn't you
> want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you already paid for?

because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
often longer.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>
>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
>> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>
> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.

Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
reality.

> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
> don't already own a fast charger.

Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
while they sleep.

> They either will continue with slow charging or purchase a fast charger.

Yep, many will just continue to use their existing power adapters, which
equates to a net environmental savings when smartphone companies don't
include power adapters in the box. You trolls HATE this fact with a
passion, and you'll do everything you can to downplay it.

> If they're buying a phone in a store, the salesperson will likely
> suggest that they purchase a fast charger.

I call bullshit. No salesperson has suggested that I purchase a fast
charger for any of the smartphones I have purchased in the past decade.

> Once someone is paying hundreds of dollars (or more than a thousand
> dollars) for a new phone then the cost of a fast charger isn't
> significant and they'll probably buy one.

Unless you are going to provide actual statistics for this claim, I call
bullshit on it too.

[remainder of useless drivel rightfully ignored]

[Jolly Roger]

Because faster charging generates more heat, which lessens the overall
lifespan of a battery. And if my routine is already to charge my device
while I sleep, there's literally no benefit in needlessly decreasing the
overall lifespan of my battery simply "because I can". Also, I'd have
to spend money on a fast charge power adapter for no real gain. No
thanks.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> On 4/5/2022 1:39 AM, Chris wrote:

>> Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
>>> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?
>>

>> Impossible now that many/most phones don't come with a charger.

>>
>>> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
>>

>> They also don't come with a charger.
>

> Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast chargers
> have now dropped the charger.

Stop calling USB power adapters "chargers". You aren't fooling anyone.
The charge cable is still included in the box, and it can be connected
to any USB power adapter or port.

[nospam]

In article <t2ih3o$1tta$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

<sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

> The only reason Apple removed the charger is because Apple's strategy is to
> remove a key functionality each year from the entire iPhone model lineup.

exactly correct. it's widely known among insiders that after a few
years, apple will eventually remove the ability to make and receive
calls and change the name to just the letter i. no more 'phone' in the
name.

one key benefit of not needing to print the additional letters of the
product name on the box and other materials is a dramatic savings on
ink, which also has a key effect on global warming.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-05, John McGaw <Nob...@Nowh.ere> wrote:
>>
>> How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to full?
>
> No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a
> full day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.

Same with my iPhones for the past several years. I charge them at night
while I sleep, they are fully charged when I wake up, and they last all
day every day without needing a recharge. The fast charging craze is
mostly overblown hype to those of us who rarely if ever need such a
thing.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-05, John McGaw <Nob...@Nowh.ere> wrote:
>

> At home I just put the phone on the bedside wireless charger every
> night and forget about it until I get up in the morning and almost
> never look at the battery level.

It's quite nice, right? There's a certain amount of stress related to
constantly worrying about your battery that I am perfectly happy not to
hold day to day. There are way better things to stress about.

[Alan]

For a "man" who claims he only speaks the facts, that's a very strange
assertion to be making.

Where are your facts to back it up?

[sms]

On 4/5/2022 2:50 PM, John McGaw wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 4:21 PM, sms wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 12:44 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a
>>> full day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.
>>
>> I try not to let my phones get below 20%.
>>
>> When I do charging measurements I let it go from 20% to 100% and I
>> monitor the AC WH <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RNFQTL9> and a USB-C
>> PD tester <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000349886468.html>.
>
> I guess that you have _way_ more curiosity about it than I do then.

I do. One reason was to prove that the amount of extra electricity used
for wireless charging is so minuscule that it has no effect on climate
change.

[nospam]

In article <t2ime0$5t9$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> One reason was to prove that the amount of extra electricity used
> for wireless charging is so minuscule that it has no effect on climate
> change.

multiplied by a couple of billion phones, it absolutely does.

[sms]

It's also wrong.

Sure there have been a few things removed over the years, specifically
the headphone jack, 3D Touch, TouchID, and the included charger, but
it's been twp years since they stopped including chargers. The reason
they stopped including the charger was to save money and increase sales
of high-power wired and wireless chargers but no functionality was
removed, it just increased the cost to iPhone buyers.

The only key functionality that appears to have been removed between the
12 and 13 is noise cancellation for phone calls
<https://www.idropnews.com/news/did-apple-deliberately-remove-noise-cancellation-from-the-iphone-13/177417/>.

One minor annoyance I noticed when going from my 6s Plus to my Xr was
the loss of the battery percentage indicator in the top-right corner of
the screen, but that went away beginning with the X and apparently was
related t the loss of screen real estate due to the notch. As the notch
shrinks in future iPhones, perhaps that indicator will come back.

[Alan]

In the larger context of how much electricity is used overall...

...I very much doubt it.

Total world electrical consumption was nearly 24,000 terawatt-hours in 2019.

In 2020, there were about 14 billion mobile devices.

If each one had the 5,000 milliwatt-hour battery that Arlen likes to
pretend comes in all modern smartphones...

...and if each one were completely drained and recharged each day...

...that would consume about 25.5 terawatt-hours of electricity...

...or just about one TENTH of 1% of all the electrical consumption on
the planet...

Assume that wireless charging cuts the efficiency in half, and we're
still only talking about two tenths of one percent of all the world's
electrical consumption.

And that is only with 14 BILLION 5 watt-hour battery smartphones!

If we just go down to your "couple of billion" but still keep the
ridiculous battery size and usage, and we're looking at 3 ONE-HUNDREDTHS
of one percent.

I can only suggest you learn to do sanity checking before you begin to
pontificate.

:-)

[nospam]

In article <t2incv$bv7$1...@dont-email.me>, sms

<scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

> >>
> >> The only reason Apple removed the charger is because Apple's strategy
> >> is to
> >> remove a key functionality each year from the entire iPhone model lineup.
> >>
> >> Frog. Boiling. Water. === Apple. Customer. iPhone.
> >
> > For a "man" who claims he only speaks the facts, that's a very strange
> > assertion to be making.
>
> It's also wrong.

both it and what you wrote below are wrong.

> Sure there have been a few things removed over the years, specifically
> the headphone jack, 3D Touch, TouchID, and the included charger, but
> it's been twp years since they stopped including chargers.

apple also *added* numerous features that are more widely used than
what you listed above (except for touch id which has not been removed),
including multi-lens cameras, truedepth camera, lidar, magsafe, wide
gamut colour-managed displays, hdr and xdr displays, variable rate
refresh, uwb, esim cinematic mode, spatial audio, hardware accelerated
heif/hevc, thread, walking steadiness and a lot more i can't think of
right now.

as for touch id, last *month*, apple released a new iphone with touch
id. so much for removing it.

lastly, all iphones have a headphone jack. the only difference is that
it's now digital, making it more reliable and with more features than
the older analog headphone jack.

> The reason
> they stopped including the charger was to save money and increase sales
> of high-power wired and wireless chargers but no functionality was
> removed, it just increased the cost to iPhone buyers.

false. first of all, it saves users money by removing it since they
don't have to pay for something they won't be using.

second, apple did *not* remove it to increase sales of 'high-power
chargers', which don't even need to be from apple. if someone is going
to buy such a charger, which relatively few do, there are many
*non-apple* options, so apple is actually driving revenue to their
competitors, the very opposite of what you claim.

> The only key functionality that appears to have been removed between the
> 12 and 13 is noise cancellation for phone calls

also false. noise cancellation has not been removed and works quite
well.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> It's also wrong.
>
> both it and what you wrote below are wrong.

First off, you shouldn't reply to Alan Baker because then we have to wade
through what a kindergarten kid's brain sounds like when it's also stupid.

An _educated_ person would know the difference between a fact and an opinion
where all iKooks are so extremely uneducated, you can't tell the difference.

Here is an example of a _fact_:
*Apple removed the charger*

Here is an example of an _opinion_:
*Apple did it to force a buying decision that you used to not need to make*

After that, if you uneducated low-IQ low-self-esteem iKook morons still
can't tell the difference between a fact and an opinion, don't blame me.

Blame your parents.

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

> It's also wrong.

Steve isn't an iKook because he's actually educated and his self esteem
isn't indelibly tied into Apple slogans but Steve is incredibly stupid.

Someone tell Steve what the difference is between a FACT & an OPINION.

The fact is Apple removed the charger.
It's also a fact that Apple "said" they did it for the kids (so to speak).

But it's an opinion as to whether Apple lied about why they did it.
And it's an opinion as to why I think Apple did it.

You can't say my opinion is an incorrect fact unless you're too stupid
to know what the difference between a fact and an opinion is.

And if you are that stupid, well, then you just prove my point, don't you.

It's not shocking that Alan Baker doesn't know the difference between a fact
and an opinion - but I would expect Steve to not be as stupid as Alan is.

[Alan]

On 2022-04-05 6:24 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> It's also wrong.
>>
>> both it and what you wrote below are wrong.
>
> First off, you shouldn't reply to Alan Baker because then we have to wade
> through what a kindergarten kid's brain sounds like when it's also stupid.
>
> An _educated_ person would know the difference between a fact and an
> opinion
> where all iKooks are so extremely uneducated, you can't tell the
> difference.
>
> Here is an example of a _fact_:
> *Apple removed the charger*

That is a fact.

Very good.

>
> Here is an example of an _opinion_:
> *Apple did it to force a buying decision that you used to not need to make*

Here is another fact:

You have claimed that you never post anything except facts...

...and that is clearly a lie.

[Laughing at Arlen]

On 2022-04-05 6:28 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> It's also wrong.
>
> Steve isn't an iKook because he's actually educated and his self esteem
> isn't indelibly tied into Apple slogans but Steve is incredibly stupid.
>
> Someone tell Steve what the difference is between a FACT & an OPINION.
>
> The fact is Apple removed the charger.

That is a fact.

> It's also a fact that Apple "said" they did it for the kids (so to speak).

No. Apple did not say that.

>
> But it's an opinion as to whether Apple lied about why they did it.
> And it's an opinion as to why I think Apple did it.

And yet you have stated that you only post facts.

>
> You can't say my opinion is an incorrect fact unless you're too stupid
> to know what the difference between a fact and an opinion is.

I can say that it's an opinion that you haven't supported.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 1:51 AM, nospam wrote:

> because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
> not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
> often longer.

Just like having credit cards in your pocket, a fast charger is convenient
when you need it & you don't have all day or all night to charge the phone.

[knuttle]

On 4/5/2022 7:00 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Same with my iPhones for the past several years. I charge them at night
> while I sleep, they are fully charged when I wake up, and they last all
> day every day without needing a recharge. The fast charging craze is
> mostly overblown hype to those of us who rarely if ever need such a
> thing.

Sometimes you use the iPhone more than you normally do or you forget to
charge it or you're out all night or you check into your hotel late and you
have early meetings the next morning or any of a million things that could
prevent you from enjoying your full night every night slow charging cycle.

There's a great amount of convenience to fast charging that's really useful.

You don't want that convenience but if you ever needed it, it would be nice
convenience to have for free.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 1:55 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>>
>>> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where
>>> how long it takes does not matter.
>>
>> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why
>> wouldn't you want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you
>> already paid for?
>
> Because faster charging generates more heat, which lessens the overall
> lifespan of a battery. And if my routine is already to charge my device
> while I sleep, there's literally no benefit in needlessly decreasing the
> overall lifespan of my battery simply "because I can". Also, I'd have
> to spend money on a fast charge power adapter for no real gain. No
> thanks.

There are times you're in a rush and with the slow charger you don't get
anywhere near those fast charging speeds that you already paid for.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 1:51 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
> while they sleep.

The fast charger is just like more memory, more RAM, faster refresh rates &
faster cpu's in that you can always use faster and better charging speeds.

[sms]

On 4/5/2022 6:38 PM, knuttle wrote:

<snip>

> There are times you're in a rush and with the slow charger you don't get
> anywhere near those fast charging speeds that you already paid for.

Actually there is no downside to high power wired charging. The phone
manages the voltage, current, and wattage, charging at a high-rate when
the battery state-of-charge is low, then tapering off as the battery
state-of-charge approaches 100%.

Remember, we're not talking about 120W charging like the Xiaomi 12 Pro,
we're talking about only 20 watt charging. The same applies for wireless
charging, we're not talking about 50W wireless charging like Xiaomi.

[nospam]

In article <t2iqsr$3h1$1...@dont-email.me>, knuttle

there is no need to carry a charger all the time. you might want to get
a phone with much better battery life than what you have now.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 1:55 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>
>>>> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where
>>>> how long it takes does not matter.
>>>
>>> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why
>>> wouldn't you want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you
>>> already paid for?
>>
>> Because faster charging generates more heat, which lessens the
>> overall lifespan of a battery. And if my routine is already to charge
>> my device while I sleep, there's literally no benefit in needlessly
>> decreasing the overall lifespan of my battery simply "because I can".
>> Also, I'd have to spend money on a fast charge power adapter for no
>> real gain. No thanks.
>
> There are times you're in a rush

No there aren't. You're desperately trying to speak for me and many
others due to your bias, but it's clear you know nothing about my use
cases.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-06, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 6:38 PM, knuttle wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> There are times you're in a rush and with the slow charger you don't
>> get anywhere near those fast charging speeds that you already paid
>> for.
>
> Actually there is no downside to high power wired charging

Wrong. Extra heat is definitely a downside, and will decrease overall
lifespan of a batter in the long run.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-05, Andy Burnelli <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Meh. They all charge my iPhone, which is what actually matters.
>

> The only reason Apple...

Blah blah blah. Arlen can't address the point, so he tries to derail the
thread instead. Lame troll.

[Ant]

In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-04-05, John McGaw <Nob...@Nowh.ere> wrote:
> >>
> >> How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to full?
> >
> > No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a
> > full day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.

> Same with my iPhones for the past several years. I charge them at night
> while I sleep, they are fully charged when I wake up, and they last all
> day every day without needing a recharge. The fast charging craze is
> mostly overblown hype to those of us who rarely if ever need such a
> thing.

I have to charge my old, used iPhones (6 + and 4S) and new 12 mini. I
use them a lot! Also, it doens't help when cellular coverage is really
bad here even if I disable cellular data. :(
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[sms]

On 4/5/2022 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-05 5:33 p.m., nospam wrote:
>> In article <t2ime0$5t9$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
>> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>      One reason was to prove that the amount of extra electricity used
>>> for wireless charging is so minuscule that it has no effect on climate
>>> change.
>>
>> multiplied by a couple of billion phones, it absolutely does.
>
> In the larger context of how much electricity is used overall...
>
> ...I very much doubt it.

nospam is wrong of course™.

You're correct, in the context of world electricity use the extra KWH
used for wireless charging is lost in the noise.

On the two phones that I ran comparison tests on, the difference per day
ranged from 3.51WH to 4.23WH, which worked out to a range of 1.28 to
1.55 KWH per year per device. For the estimated 6.38 billion devices
this translates to 8.17 to 9.89 billion KWH per year. This sounds like a
lot, because billion is a big number, but worldwide electricity
consumption is about 24 trillion KWH. Thus works out to 0.0340% extra
electricity. But of course that's not looking at the whole picture of
the advantages of wireless charging.

See <https://i.imgur.com/kMmot3f.jpg>

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 3:53 AM, nospam wrote:

>> Just like having credit cards in your pocket, a fast charger is convenient
>> when you need it & you don't have all day or all night to charge the phone.
>
> there is no need to carry a charger all the time. you might want to get
> a phone with much better battery life than what you have now.

You misunderstood.
I was saying the great thing about a fast charger is that it's convenient.

Much like having pockets in your pants are convenient, a fast charger is
convenient when you need it. You can live without it. But it's convenient.

Convenience is cup holders. Convenience is credit cards. Convenience is a
shoe rack. Convenience is a night light. Convenience is a flash light.

Nobody must have convenience.
It's convenient to have the convenience of a fast charger when you need it.

[knuttle]

On 4/5/2022 11:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> There are times you're in a rush
>
> No there aren't. You're desperately trying to speak for me and many
> others due to your bias, but it's clear you know nothing about my use
> cases.

A quick charger is convenient when you need it because the phone is charged
in no time flat, but if you don't mind waiting all day or all night for the
phone to slowly charge, then you don't need a quick charger.

What's the disadvantage of the convenience of a quick charger that makes you
dislike quick chargers so much?

[Joerg Lorenz]

On 06.04.22 00:51, nospam wrote:
> In article <t2ifs9$u7o$1...@dont-email.me>, knuttle

> <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>
>>> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
>>> long it takes does not matter.
>>
>> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why wouldn't you
>> want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you already paid for?
>

> because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
> not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
> often longer.

I disagree. Sometimes it is very convenient to top off. And in such
circumstances the user want bang for the buck. I quite often do that
before I leave my desk in the office for a business trip

--
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[Joerg Lorenz]

On 06.04.22 06:54, knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 3:53 AM, nospam wrote:
>
>>> Just like having credit cards in your pocket, a fast charger is convenient
>>> when you need it & you don't have all day or all night to charge the phone.
>>
>> there is no need to carry a charger all the time. you might want to get
>> a phone with much better battery life than what you have now.
>
> You misunderstood.
> I was saying the great thing about a fast charger is that it's convenient.

It definitely is. See my other post.

[Joerg Lorenz]

On 06.04.22 06:26, sms wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05 5:33 p.m., nospam wrote:
>>> In article <t2ime0$5t9$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
>>> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>      One reason was to prove that the amount of extra electricity used
>>>> for wireless charging is so minuscule that it has no effect on climate
>>>> change.
>>>
>>> multiplied by a couple of billion phones, it absolutely does.
>>
>> In the larger context of how much electricity is used overall...
>>
>> ...I very much doubt it.
>
> nospam is wrong of course™.

No. He is absolutely right. 100 phones charging at 10 Watt use 1 kW.
100'000 devices 1 MW. 10 Million devices 100 MW.

100 MW is a quarter of the power of Switzerland's samllest nuclear power
station.

100 million devices absorb 100% of the power of a modern nuclear plant.
That is what you can expect in Germany and France alone in one night.

In this calculation I assume 100% efficiency of the chain and no losses
at all which is completely unrealistic.

[Alan]

No.

He and you are absolutely wrong.

[Lewis]

In message <jb3vmn...@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-04-05, knuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 5 Apr 2022, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>>
>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>>
>>> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where
>>> how long it takes does not matter.
>>
>> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why
>> wouldn't you want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you
>> already paid for?

> Because faster charging generates more heat, which lessens the overall
> lifespan of a battery. And if my routine is already to charge my device
> while I sleep, there's literally no benefit in needlessly decreasing the
> overall lifespan of my battery simply "because I can". Also, I'd have
> to spend money on a fast charge power adapter for no real gain. No
> thanks.

Fast charging can be a convenience in some situations, but for most
people it is not an issue and certainly does not warrant buying a new
charger.

Also, I did not go out an look for an iPhone with fast charging, nor is
it a feature I paid for. It is not even a feature I considered. I am not
sure which iPhones support it because it is meaningless to me.

In over 20 years I have never been in the situation of "PANIC! I must
charge up my phone to full as quickly as possible!" Not once, on any
phone, ever.

--
'How come you know all that stuff?' 'I ain't just a pretty face.'
'You aren't even a pretty face, Gaspode.'

[Lewis]

In message <t2j6rv$d6n$1...@dont-email.me> knuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 11:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

>>> There are times you're in a rush
>>
>> No there aren't. You're desperately trying to speak for me and many
>> others due to your bias, but it's clear you know nothing about my use
>> cases.

> A quick charger is convenient when you need it because the phone is charged
> in no time flat, but if you don't mind waiting all day or all night for the
> phone to slowly charge, then you don't need a quick charger.

You're being an idiot. It does not take all day nor all night to charge
a phone.

> What's the disadvantage of the convenience of a quick charger that makes you
> dislike quick chargers so much?

This has been pointed out to you several times. Expense of a new charger
and damage over time to the battery.

--
Given your quest-heavy lifestyle, there’s no guarantee any of you will live to
see Christmas.

[Lewis]

In message <050420221859262879%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t2ih3o$1tta$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli

> <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:

>> The only reason Apple removed the charger is because Apple's strategy is to
>> remove a key functionality each year from the entire iPhone model lineup.

> exactly correct. it's widely known among insiders that after a few
> years, apple will eventually remove the ability to make and receive
> calls

Hey now, I would buy an iPhone that couldn't make calls. It would save
me quite some effort in avoiding calls. :)

--
Humans are always slightly lost. It's a basic characteristic. It
explains a lot about them.

[Lewis]

In message <t2iqtu$3pk$1...@dont-email.me> knuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Sometimes you use the iPhone more than you normally do or you forget to
> charge it or you're out all night or you check into your hotel late and you
> have early meetings the next morning or any of a million things that could
> prevent you from enjoying your full night every night slow charging cycle.

Stop being stupid. There is no "full night" about it. It does not take
hours to charge an iPhone. You're being a colossal dumbass.

> There's a great amount of convenience to fast charging that's really useful.

To you, perhaps. Not to most people, no.

> You don't want that convenience but if you ever needed it, it would be nice
> convenience to have for free.

How do you figure it's free? You have to buy new chargers.


--
'The only reason we're still alive now is that we're more fun alive
than dead,' said Granny's voice behind her. --Lords and Ladies

[Lewis]

In message <t2incv$bv7$1...@dont-email.me> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> The reason they stopped including the charger was to save money and
> increase sales of high-power wired and wireless chargers

Save money in packaging and shipping and waste, yes. The rest of your
statement is, of course, your usual bullshit troll lies.

> The only key functionality that appears to have been removed between the
> 12 and 13 is noise cancellation for phone calls
> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/did-apple-deliberately-remove-noise-cancellation-from-the-iphone-13/177417/>.

Also bullshit.

> One minor annoyance I noticed when going from my 6s Plus to my Xr was
> the loss of the battery percentage indicator in the top-right corner of
> the screen,

More and more bullshit.

> but that went away beginning with the X

No it didn't, and it is still there on the 13, 12, 11, and Xr

> related t the loss of screen real estate due to the notch. As the notch
> shrinks in future iPhones, perhaps that indicator will come back.

Look harder.

--
In the 60's, people took acid to make the world appear weird. Now the
world is weird and people take Prozac to make it appear normal.

[Lewis]

In message <050420222033159758%nos...@nospam.invalid> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t2ime0$5t9$1...@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:

>> One reason was to prove that the amount of extra electricity used
>> for wireless charging is so minuscule that it has no effect on climate
>> change.

> multiplied by a couple of billion phones, it absolutely does.

No, it really doesn't.

It's a bit like comparing a burst water main to a dripping sink. Does
the dripping sink waste water? Sure, technically. Is it in anyway
comparable to a bust mains pipe flooding your neighborhood? Not in the
slightest.

If you drop $1,000 i that a lot of money? What if you have $200 billion,
do you even notice $1,000? No, you don't; it's a rounding error.


--
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 12:33 PM, Lewis wrote:

>> A quick charger is convenient when you need it because the phone is charged
>> in no time flat, but if you don't mind waiting all day or all night for the
>> phone to slowly charge, then you don't need a quick charger.
>
> You're being an idiot.

You don't consider saved time a convenience?

> It does not take all day nor all night to charge a phone.

How long does it take to slow charge that phone of yours compared to how
long it takes to fast charge that phone of yours?

That's the convenience.

>> What's the disadvantage of the convenience of a quick charger that makes you
>> dislike quick chargers so much?
>
> This has been pointed out to you several times.

Your great grandfather who used a hand drill would have loved the
convenience of a power drill.

You seem to dislike the convenience of fast charging because you don't have
it. It's like you disliking the convenience of nail guns because all you own
is a hammer.

> Expense of a new charger

It comes free with the phone, even cheap phones.

> and damage over time to the battery.

No more than a power drill causes damage to the wood over a hand drill.

Are you disliking the convenience of a fast charger because of the damage or
do you dislike the convenience of a fast charger because you don't have one?

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 12:39 PM, Lewis wrote:

> Stop being stupid. There is no "full night" about it. It does not take
> hours to charge an iPhone. You're being a colossal dumbass.

What's the difference in time to charge an iPhone on the slow charger and on
the fast charger? How many hours difference is it?

That's the convenience.

>> There's a great amount of convenience to fast charging that's really useful.
>
> To you, perhaps. Not to most people, no.

If your great grandma could do the household laundry in a couple of hours
instead of the way your great grandmother did it taking at least a half day
or more, she would say that the saving is convenient too.

>> You don't want that convenience but if you ever needed it, it would be nice
>> convenience to have for free.
>
> How do you figure it's free? You have to buy new chargers.

The fast charger comes with new phones, even cheap phones.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 12:56 PM, Lewis wrote:

>>> One reason was to prove that the amount of extra electricity used
>>> for wireless charging is so minuscule that it has no effect on climate
>>> change.
>
>> multiplied by a couple of billion phones, it absolutely does.
>
> No, it really doesn't.
>
> It's a bit like comparing a burst water main to a dripping sink. Does
> the dripping sink waste water? Sure, technically. Is it in anyway
> comparable to a bust mains pipe flooding your neighborhood? Not in the
> slightest.

With these calculations how much waste "wall warts" cause in wasted energy
kilowatts when they are left in the live electrical socket most of the time.

[sms]

On 4/5/2022 9:25 PM, Ant wrote:
> In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05, John McGaw <Nob...@Nowh.ere> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to full?
>>>
>>> No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a
>>> full day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.
>
>> Same with my iPhones for the past several years. I charge them at night
>> while I sleep, they are fully charged when I wake up, and they last all
>> day every day without needing a recharge. The fast charging craze is
>> mostly overblown hype to those of us who rarely if ever need such a
>> thing.
>
> I have to charge my old, used iPhones (6 + and 4S) and new 12 mini. I
> use them a lot! Also, it doens't help when cellular coverage is really
> bad here even if I disable cellular data. :(

Normally I can get through a whole day on my iPhone Xr (as well as my
old 6s Plus). However when traveling, not in a rental car, and using
various apps that rely on the GPS and data, the phone can't make it
through a long day (6 a.m. to past midnight) so I carry along a power
bank that supports USB-C PD so I can charge the phone quickly.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 12:30 PM, Lewis wrote:

> Fast charging can be a convenience in some situations, but for most
> people it is not an issue and certainly does not warrant buying a new
> charger.

The fast charger is the only charger most people use since it comes with the
phone, even cheap phones.

A lot of new houses come with the clothes dryer in the laundry room.

It's so inexpensive in terms of the overall expense that it doesn't change
the price of the house. Even inexpensive houses come with a clothes dryer.

> Also, I did not go out an look for an iPhone with fast charging, nor is
> it a feature I paid for. It is not even a feature I considered. I am not
> sure which iPhones support it because it is meaningless to me.

Don't all the new iPhones support fast charging?

> In over 20 years I have never been in the situation of "PANIC! I must
> charge up my phone to full as quickly as possible!" Not once, on any
> phone, ever.

Do you hang your clothes outside to dry or do you use a "fast" dryer?

You appear to dislike dryers because all you have is a clothes line.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 12:25 AM, Ant wrote:

> I have to charge my old, used iPhones (6 + and 4S) and new 12 mini. I
> use them a lot! Also, it doens't help when cellular coverage is really
> bad here even if I disable cellular data. :(

Your older iPhone is like a house that isn't designed for a fast dryer so
you are stuck with using the slow drying clothes line that they gave you
when you bought it.

They sold you on the slow drying by clothes line by telling you it's good
for the environment. And that's true. But that's not why they did it.

The cost of the dryer is small compared to the cost of the house but the
company that sold the house saves money by only handing you a piece of rope.

Your older iPhone wasn't designed to handle a fast dryer so all you can do
is use that piece of rope but all new houses can handle the convenience of a
dryer.

Instead of taking a half day to dry your clothes using the clothesline they
gave you (it's good for the environment), you can dry your clothes in an
hour or two (it's not as good for the environment but it's convenient).

They didn't do it for the environment anyway.
And you can still dry your clothes on the line if you care that much about
it.

A fast clothes dryer may damage the clothes a tiny bit more than a slow dry
on a line but what you gain is the convenience of being able to dry your
clothes day or night and whenever you want.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 10:22 AM, sms wrote:

> Normally I can get through a whole day on my iPhone Xr (as well as my
> old 6s Plus). However when traveling, not in a rental car, and using
> various apps that rely on the GPS and data, the phone can't make it
> through a long day (6 a.m. to past midnight) so I carry along a power
> bank that supports USB-C PD so I can charge the phone quickly.

If on that business trip your clothes get wet or dirty from lots of use, you
can use the spring loaded clothes line in the bathtub of that hotel room.

The slow dry clothes line is better for the environment but that's not why
the hotel didn't put a fast dryer in every hotel room, even cheap rooms.

If hotel rooms came with a fast dryer, you'd benefit from the convenience of
being able to dry clothes in a half hour instead of most of the night.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 1:34 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

>> because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
>> not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
>> often longer.
>
> I disagree. Sometimes it is very convenient to top off. And in such
> circumstances the user want bang for the buck. I quite often do that
> before I leave my desk in the office for a business trip

There are some who advocate for rubbing two sticks together to start a fire
and by all accounts, that slow way of starting a fire works over time.

They advocate for that because they don't have matches & newspaper so the
slow way to make a fire is what they try to say is better than the fast way.

But others advocate for the convenience of the fast way to start a campfire
using matches and newspaper (which maybe even the campground provides you).

They dislike matches/newspaper because all they have are sticks to rub.

[Andy Burnelli]

Jolly Roger wrote:

>> The only reason Apple...
>
> Blah blah blah. Arlen can't address the point, so he tries to derail the
> thread instead. Lame troll.

The iPhone is so primitive that it's laughable in terms of functionality.

Hence it's you iKooks who are desperate to derail the topic from the fact
that my modern inexpensive phone with a huge battery only takes a couple of
hours to charge to full with the equipment that comes in the box.

The primitive iPhone, by contrast, contains laughably archaic functionality.

[Alan]

On 2022-04-06 8:40 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> The only reason Apple...
>>
>> Blah blah blah. Arlen can't address the point, so he tries to derail the
>> thread instead. Lame troll.
>
> The iPhone is so primitive that it's laughable in terms of functionality.

No.

It is not.

It can do anything that any other smartphone can do.

>
> Hence it's you iKooks who are desperate to derail the topic from the fact
> that my modern inexpensive phone with a huge battery only takes a couple of
> hours to charge to full with the equipment that comes in the box.

Why is it relevant if it comes in the box?

>
> The primitive iPhone, by contrast, contains laughably archaic
> functionality.

A choice not to sell a power adapter with every phone is not "archaic".

Do you even know what that word means?

[nospam]

In article <t2kcle$dhq$2...@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-04-06 8:40 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> > The iPhone is so primitive that it's laughable in terms of functionality.
>
> No.
>
> It is not.
>
> It can do anything that any other smartphone can do.

as well as many things other smartphones cannot.

[sms]

On 4/6/2022 12:25 AM, Alan wrote:

<snip>

> He and you are absolutely wrong.

Yes, they are wrong.

The problem some people have is that they don't look at the data or the
big picture when it comes to the total worldwide electricity consumption
versus the small amount of extra electricity consumed by wireless charging.

Total world electricity consumption is about 24,000 trillion KWH per
year. The extra electricity, if every mobile device was charged
wirelessly instead of wired, would be 8-10 billion KWH per year. That
sounds like a lot of KWH, but it's around 0.000003 percent to 0.000004
percent of total world electricity consumption.

Here is the spreadsheet with the electricity consumption data:
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G6yMOgpGtSYB-3VYcK2LFPpjSSkhkJtTgDWD3YdxSEM/>.

Here is the spreadsheet with the measurements of wired versus wireless
charging for my iPhone Xr and my Samsung Note 9:
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hP-jXAPxgcIB2friQ7Bmt3Gqqv0RgQ0fBPP_RmwIHjc/>.
I used that data for the total electricity consumption data.

Here is the document that details the pros and cons of wireless
charging:
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wnJX50hca_KCQHg-D7TzDxKZg_5kf4fXEB_blwXoOE4/>

And of course there are environmental benefits to wireless charging that
offset the tiny extra percentage of electricity used.

[Andy Burnelli]

nospam wrote:

>> It can do anything that any other smartphone can do.
>
> as well as many things other smartphones cannot.

The iPhone is antediluvian technology mired in an ancient 15-year-old design.
*The reason isn't the hardware; it's that Apple _cripples_ the software.*

For example:
a. Tell us nospam how that primitive iPhone handles GPS spoofing?
b. Tell us nospam how that archaic iPhone allows icons on any grid?
c. Tell us nospam how that inept iPhone sets the default messenger app
(or any number of default functionalities that _every_ other OS allows)?
All by its itty bitty self.
--
The only reason Apple removed the charger is that slowly removing basic
functionality so that you have to buy it back is an Apple key strategy.

[Andy Burnelli]

sms wrote:

> And of course there are environmental benefits to wireless charging that
> offset the tiny extra percentage of electricity used.

Steve speaks dogma.

Steve is a wacko far-to-the-left Democrat politician, hence it's expected
he'd play up only the dogma in his environmental crusade to raise taxes.

That's normal for politicians, where the Democrats are _desperate_ to enact
an entirely new shockingly huge taxation system (which is their main goal).

The Democrats like Steve, will brazenly lie, claiming every environmental
happenstance is due to "global warming" (ooops. "Climate Chage") dogma.

Even the PG&E-caused fires were blamed on that by Gavin Newsom who said he
has no patience for intellectuals who don't believe every lie he claims.

REFERENCES:
<https://civicfinance.org/2020/09/14/weve-lost-patience-with-you-gavin-newsom/>
<https://energynews.us/digests/california-governor-no-patience-for-climate-change-deniers/>
<https://climaterealism.com/2020/09/the-truth-about-wildfires-that-gov-newsom-has-no-patience-for/>
<https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2020-09-09/fires-newsom-climate-change-essential-california>
<https://deadline.com/2020/09/california-governor-gavin-newsom-no-patience-for-climate-change-deniers-1234572770/#!>
<https://www.newsweek.com/california-gov-has-no-patience-climate-change-deniers-he-reports-historic-wildfires-1530466>
<https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/sep/09/california-governor-wildfires-no-patience-climate-change-deniers-video>
<https://www.theepochtimes.com/california-gov-gavin-newsom-i-quite-literally-have-no-patience-for-climate-change-deniers_3497996.html>
<https://www.politico.com/newsletters/california-playbook/2020/09/09/gavin-newsom-no-patience-for-climate-deniers-trump-targets-kamala-as-first-woman-president-an-insult-to-our-country-winds-ramp-up-wildfire-danger-power-outages-called-by-pg-e-gender-reveal-family-could-owe-millions-490277>
etc.
--
The problem with politicians like Steve is that their constituency has to be stupid
to even begin to believe the incessant dogma they spew.

[Hank Rogers]

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> And of course there are environmental benefits to wireless
>> charging that offset the tiny extra percentage of electricity used.
>
> Steve speaks dogma.
>
> Steve is a wacko far-to-the-left Democrat politician, hence it's
> expected
> he'd play up only the dogma in his environmental crusade to raise
> taxes.
>
> That's normal for politicians, where the Democrats are _desperate_
> to enact
> an entirely new shockingly huge taxation system (which is their
> main goal).
>
> The Democrats like Steve, will brazenly lie, claiming every
> environmental
> happenstance is due to "global warming" (ooops. "Climate Chage")
> dogma.
>

Are all democrats also uneducated iKooks? I bet they are.

[Hank Rogers]

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> It can do anything that any other smartphone can do.
>>
>> as well as many things other smartphones cannot.
>
> The iPhone is antediluvian technology mired in an ancient
> 15-year-old design.
> *The reason isn't the hardware; it's that Apple _cripples_ the
> software.*
>

You should throw your damn iPhones away! They're not good for you.

[Alan]

On 2022-04-06 9:22 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> It can do anything that any other smartphone can do.
>>
>> as well as many things other smartphones cannot.
>
> The iPhone is antediluvian technology mired in an ancient 15-year-old
> design.
> *The reason isn't the hardware; it's that Apple _cripples_ the software.*
>
> For example:
> a. Tell us nospam how that primitive iPhone handles GPS spoofing?

A.a. Not deciding that something is important isn't the same has
"crippling" anything.

> b. Tell us nospam how that archaic iPhone allows icons on any grid?

Making choices about user interface is a good thing.

> c. Tell us nospam how that inept iPhone sets the default messenger app

See A.a.

[Alan]

You're operating on the assumption that Arlen has the wit to recognize
sarcasm.

I assure you:

He does not.

[Andy Burnelli]

Hank Rogers wrote:

> Are all democrats also uneducated iKooks? I bet they are.

Nobody said all democrats are either uneducated, or iKooks.

Are you stupid?

Every time you post you prove to have the same low IQ as does Alan Baker.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On 4/6/2022 1:51 AM, nospam wrote:
>
>> because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
>> not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
>> often longer.
>

> Just like having credit cards in your pocket, a fast charger is
> convenient when you need it & you don't have all day or all night to
> charge the phone.

Fast charging is both unnecessary and wasteful for the millions who
charge their devices overnight while they sleep, yet some trolls in this
news group adamantly claim smartphone makers should just keep shipping
those fast charge USB power adapters to those who don't need them, and
scoff whenever someone mentions that they are glad they don't have to
add yet another to their collection, and have no need for another.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On 4/5/2022 7:00 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Same with my iPhones for the past several years. I charge them at
>> night while I sleep, they are fully charged when I wake up, and they
>> last all day every day without needing a recharge. The fast charging
>> craze is mostly overblown hype to those of us who rarely if ever need
>> such a thing.
>

> Sometimes you use the iPhone more than you normally do or you forget
> to charge it

Sorry, but I literally can't remember the last time that happened to me.
So the fact that I don't get yet another USB power adapter when I
upgrade to a new device is good for me and the environment. I'm
definitely not alone, so multiply this over millions of people and you
get a significant net energy / environmental savings. I'm sorry if this
bothers you, but again, it's definitely a Good Thing™.

> or you're out all night or you check into your hotel late and you have
> early meetings the next morning

I won't tell anyone how to live their lives, but being a professional in
my field, you definitely won't find me foolishly partying the night
before any important meetings - I'll definitely get at least 5 hours of
sleep the night before, which is plenty of time to charge my devices in
my hotel room, even with "slow" charging.

> or any of a million things that could prevent you from enjoying your
> full night every night slow charging cycle.

I mean, if that's a regular occurrence for *you*, and you want a fast
charging USB power adapter, I don't see anyone here suggesting you
shouldn't get and use one. But you can rest assured that those of us who
*don't* need one are perfectly happy not to find yet another power
adapter in the box when we upgrade to a new device.

> There's a great amount of convenience to fast charging that's really
> useful.
>

> You don't want that convenience but if you ever needed it, it would be
> nice convenience to have for free.

Meh. If I ever do need one, I'm fine with purchasing it. A few bucks
won't break my bank, and I'm happy to contribute to overall energy and
environmental savings.

[Rob]

Jolly Roger <jolly...@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>
>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
>>> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>
>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>
> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
> reality.

Not so quick...

>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>> don't already own a fast charger.
>
> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
> while they sleep.

It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
whatever is required to assure your safety.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On 4/5/2022 11:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> There are times you're in a rush
>>
>> No there aren't. You're desperately trying to speak for me and many
>> others due to your bias, but it's clear you know nothing about my use
>> cases.
>
> A quick charger is convenient when you need it

You seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge that a whole lot of
people simply do not need it, even when people right here on Usenet tell
you straight to your face. It's really peculiar behavior.

> but if you don't mind waiting all day or all night
> for the phone to slowly charge, then you don't need a quick charger.

Yes, this describes me an many other people.

> What's the disadvantage of the convenience of a quick charger that
> makes you dislike quick chargers so much?

That's a dishonest characterization. Stating I don't need one is not
"disliking" them.

I simply don't need fast charging. And I also know that faster charging
generates more heat, which is detrimental to battery longevity. Not only
would using fast charging be wasted on my use cases, it would also
degrade my batteries faster than without. And the fact that smartphone
makers aren't including USB power adapters in the box is a net benefit
to me and millions of others who don't need yet another one - and also
to the overall environment. I'm simply not interested in having a fast
charge power adapter, nor am I interested in getting yet another power
adapter in the box each time I purchase a new device. I'm sorry if this
bothers you.

[knuttle]

On 4/6/2022 11:03 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Fast charging is both unnecessary and wasteful for the millions who
> charge their devices overnight while they sleep, yet some trolls in this
> news group adamantly claim smartphone makers should just keep shipping
> those fast charge USB power adapters to those who don't need them, and
> scoff whenever someone mentions that they are glad they don't have to
> add yet another to their collection, and have no need for another.

A washing machine and dryer is also wasteful if you have all night to wash
your clothes in a bathtub and hang them outside all day on a line to dry.

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In article <slrnt4rma4...@xs9.xs4all.nl>, Rob

<nom...@example.com> wrote:

> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.

no it isn't.

> It could
> catch fire.

that's highly unlikely, but that's what smoke detectors are for.

> Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
> whatever is required to assure your safety.

if it did catch fire while sleeping, you would be there, so that bogus
issue is moot.

you're really grasping at straws.